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Fuck Western Media: Egypt is a Platypus

By on Jul 3, 2013 in SeptiC (Politics) | 38 comments

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Seriously?

Talk about setting up a straw man and then beating the shit out of him. First of all, what you’ve basically tried to do here is lump all of Egypt together into one group, and then pointed out the worst failings of each of the components of that group, as though they were shared by the entire group.

There’s a whole lot you’re choosing to ignore and there’s a whole lot you’re just assuming – some of this is just disingenuous.

First of all, you seem to think you’re somehow entitled to feel like you care more about our martyred friends than we ourselves do, and in some cases, more than their own mothers do. I’m sorry, but you just don’t get to ride on that particular high horse.
Second of all, as a result of your hybrid straw-man ‘Egyptians’ – you seem to imply that either the people are not aware that they’re in essence, providing popular support for a military coup, or that they all welcome it. Sorry, but on the whole, we’re really not that idiotic. You seem to think that the Egyptian people have chosen to ‘revert’ to military rule, when, in fact, we never left it in the first place, a fact of which many of us were made aware as we saw the military taking on gain after gain through their deal with the Muslim Brotherhood.

You also go on and claim that ‘we’ (this monstrous hybrid of all the worst of Egypt that you’ve assembled) chose to play the game, but are now complaining about results. You’re ignoring (unless you are simply ignorant of) the millions of people who effectively boycotted the elections whether by conscious political design, or because they had already given up on the SCAF coordinated game show, or because they simply rejected the notion that ‘free democratic elections’ could be held under SCAF.

Oddly enough, despite your mistrust of the military, you seem to have zero issues trusting the results of an election THEY ran. Cognitive dissonance much?

The elections were a sham, and the Carter observers said as much, if you paid any kind of attention whatsoever. Carter himself even said that given the restrictions imposed on their monitoring efforts, he should never have agreed to be involved in those elections.

Voting booths were empty, turnout on the first day, depending on the governerate, was estimated at between 3% to 15%. Magically, the next day, we were told that 26 million invisible voters had voted. Exciting. You comfortably ignore over 3,000 complaints from polling stations, reports of National ID printing machines gone stolen, and an electoral registry that has been estimated to have about 9 million ‘paper’ voters in it.

A presidency is NOT a carte blanche, and we are not supposed to wait 3 years longer when the president has broken every, every, every single promise he’s made. Presidential Team? Nothing. Revolutionary Demands? Jack shit. Justice for Martyrs? Nothing. Nada. Zip. Wages? Get real. Social Justice? Right. Healthcare, forget it. Basic honesty? Zilch. He basically assraped the laws he swore (3 times) to uphold the second he started coming up with completely self-satisfying constitutional declarations, Morsi proved that whether or not he was ‘democratically elected’, there was certainly nothing ‘democratic’ about him.

But now, you’re making it sound like the people on the street today are the same people who were fighting against SCAF. No, they’re not. Most of the people who fought SCAF, like me, are reluctant to participate to any extent in what’s going on now, and we’re spending most of our waking hours telling people that they are going to get stung by the military.

Egyptians aren’t any stupider than you think you are. The fact of the matter is that they feel Morsi has betrayed them. You seem to think these are mostly people who just don’t have the hots for Morsi. Grow up. We’re looking for a president, not a lay. It has nothing to do with personal inclinations. These people have been betrayed by their president, who a year later, has not even fulfilled his 100 Day campaign promises, who has marginalized everybody in the country other than his buddies – and they have been failed by a weak opposition that has offered them nothing, and they are not seeking military rule, they are simply seeking to remove Morsi, anyway they can. Yes, the military oppressed a lot of people, but to assume that those are the same people who are now assisting the soft coup is either ignorant or massively over-generalizing, unless we all just happen to look the same to you.

I hate that we are being played by the military, however, I do NOT begrudge the overwhelming masses of Egypt that are simply out there trying to make life better for themselves. Unless you can promise them a better life, then let them seek it for themselves however they may. Have advice? Great. But if you’re going to sit there and cry foul, it really doesn’t help.

The biggest assumption you’re making here, sadly – seems to stem from a completely defeatist position you’ve adopted, as though this is the last act of a people, as though the millions that demonstrated in the last days against Morsi’s oppression were not equally prepared to demonstrate against the military’s oppression, and again, and again, and as long as it takes to get it right.

If you don’t understand that THAT is democracy, and if you can’t see it that way, just because it’s not how you would’ve done is, that’s your problem, not that of the Egyptian people.

It’s completely ridiculous to lump us all together, and act as though we’re all sado-masochistic ignorant retards who are salivating to hand over our lives to the military murderers who’ve kept Egypt down for over 60 years, and who’ve literally ran over friends and allies.

Also – you implicitly seem to think that SCAF killing people is a bad, bad, bad thing – which it is – but conveniently seem to forget about the more than 100 martyrs that Morsi has given us.

People calling it a coup, others not. I say this; it is yet another coup, but with massive, popular, democratic support.

We’re a platypus.

The platypus is, basically, a mammal that lays eggs, more specifically, it’s a monotreme, a category that includes only two animals. Because it does not fit the categories that scientists recognized at the time it was discovered, it was assumed to be a hoax. This is what Robert M. Pirsig has to say about Platypuses –

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We’re all skeptical (downright distrusting in my case) of the the military, but this IS a popular democratic removal of Morsi. That is not a failure, although what comes next might be. On one point we all agree, Morsi and his so-called Islamist goons cannot continue to hijack this country.

Wake the hell up.

Oh, and of course, if you’re going to talk me to about ‘elected presidents’, please read these posts first:

Who Are We Kidding With These Elections?

and

Over 25 Million Voters – Mostly Invisible!

It’s also worth noting, as a friend pointed out that U.S. Commentators are completely ignoring why their own 2nd amendment exists; to be able to remove corrupt governments without ‘ballots’.

Mysteriously, despite latching on to Social Media in 2011 on Western Media, @CNN aren’t talking much about ‎the Tamarod petition, nor showing it.

Here it is, by the way:

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Is it actually possible that western anger isn’t about ‘coup’ but about the way this was popularized and mobilized through, essentially, a popular petition, photocopies, literally, distributed by people, for people, signed and collected by people, called Tamarod?

What ‎Tamarod did, that might be scaring global leaders, is take people beyond “Choose A or B” ‘democracy’. It gave people the extra option of having a VETO.

Interesting.

Thank you.

38 Comments

  1. EamonX

    July 3, 2013

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    When Winston Churcill said the best argument against democracy was a convo with the average voter; he was likely referring to people like you.

    Congratulations, you now have a military coup – the most undemocratic action possible. Hope you’re happy!

    • karmamole

      July 3, 2013

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      Clearly you haven’t understood a single word I wrote. People calling it a coup, others not. I say this; it’s is yet another coup, but with massive, popular, democratic support. It’s a fucking platypus. Too bad you can’t get THAT through your thick skull. How well it works out? We’ll see what it results in. Enjoy.

      • EamonX

        July 3, 2013

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        Calm down, you’ve just proved my point once more. You sound unbelievably irrational and in denial. Not once have in your rant up there did you talk about government policy, ways to fix the economy, methods to bring back security and plans to reduce poverty. All you keep repating is fuck, morsi, oppression, fight, platypus.

        Tahrir Square may have 1-2 million people at the moment. But Egypt is a population of 80+ million. Each side can claim they represent ‘the people.’ There is one way to find out – the ballot box.

        I’ve never in my life seen so many people calling for a military coup, rejecting the ballot box then call themselves democratic.

        Might is Right does not equal to democracy. If Baradei becomes President today, he only accomplished it with the gun because he could no accomplish it with a ballot box.

        I rest my case.

        • karmamole

          July 3, 2013

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          You have no case. Unfortunately, I think your intent is actually good, but you’re completely removed from the realities of the ground here in Egypt – and as for the elections, I refer you to these two posts I wrote earlier –

          http://www.karmamole.com/septic/who-are-we-kidding/

          And

          http://www.karmamole.com/septic/over-25-million/

          I’m sorry, but you just have no clue what’s going on. As for 1.2 million in Tahrir vs. 80 million Egyptians. You’re on mars. The number of people who signed the Tamarod paper number 22 million – that’s the sum total of ALL voters in the last election. The number of protesters in the street on June 30th, have been estimated at anywhere between 15-30 million. Both of which are FAR beyond the number that Morsi got in the 1st round of Elections, and still above what he got in the second round of elections when over 60% of his voters didn’t even want him, but refused to vote for Shafiq.

          • EamonX

            July 3, 2013

            That’s great. You’re so confident he has lost the approval of the electorate. Why not elections then? Why resort to a military coup? It only compromises every democratic value you claim to have.

            The lawlessness we’ve seen since Monday is hurting your country. Nobody wants to invest money because Egypt is so politically unstable. Throughout Morsi’s year of office, he’s had demonstrations almost every other day. Many honest demands by protesters is for him to improve the life conditions of Egyptians, but all this lawlessness is basically making that job infinitely more difficult.

            Also, it’s not physically possible to get 15-30 million in and around Tahrir Square. Still, 2 million is good figure.

          • karmamole

            July 3, 2013

            When the hell did I argue that there were 15-30 million in TAHRIR? Anti-Morsi protests were ALL over Egypt. Again, could you please read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. This is tiresome.

          • Iso

            July 3, 2013

            First and foremost great and accurate title. I mean, really, fuck them.

            This is specifically the kind of rhetoric I think the article is alluding to.

            “No
            one wants to invest in the country”. Well fuck their investments!
            People are fighting for their basic fundamental freedoms and you qualify
            it by needing to appease some foreign investor?

            Same thing happens everywhere and is condoned by the western powers for as long as it fits their bill.

            Well, Egyptians are standing up for themselves and for that I am really
            in awe and admire them greatly. God knows we need something like that
            here in Uganda but we are more docile and subject to the whims of
            foreign government perpetuated corruption to stand a chance of that in
            my lifetime. But I am inspired and for that I thank you.

          • karmamole

            July 4, 2013

            Thanks, Iso 🙂

          • Paul J

            July 3, 2013

            Good article.
            EamonX is an Islamist that spends his entire day trolling the Guardian with crappy pro-Jihadi comments.
            He’s probably getting paid per word by the Qataris. Ignore him.

          • karmamole

            July 3, 2013

            Ah. Thanks for the info. Now I know not to waste my time.

    • Doris

      July 3, 2013

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      Ah yes, Churchill, that famous supporter of eugenics and advocate of chemical warfare against ‘recalcitrant Arabs.’ I’m sure he’s person we should turn to for lessons on ‘democracy.’ And after reading all that, you still don’t get it do you – there was never an end to military rule, just a brief hiatus where the Muslim Brotherhood façade was put on for a while. The idea that last year military rule ended, and now it’s just been restored is utterly absurd.

      • EamonX

        July 3, 2013

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        Let’s just take the view you’re correct that military rule never ended.

        If military rule never ended, why are the protesters demanding the army to remove an elected President? Are they, from you perspective, clueless that Egypt never moved on from military rule?

        • karmamole

          July 3, 2013

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          There was no end to military rule. The brotherhood simply betrayed the revolution and partnered with the military. ANYBODY who’s read the MB’s so-called constitution would understand that. The military gained more from that divisive piece of shit than they ever could have in March 2011 if they had dealt with anybody else. Again, I’m sorry, but you’re clearly coming from at this from a great distance, and have no idea what’s actually going on here.

          • EamonX

            July 3, 2013

            I’ve been following Egypt since before the 2011 revolution, then after that, I’ve been following Egyptian affairs almost daily. I’ve read the constitution and the comparison to the Mubarak constitution and the temporary one that SCAF imposed after Mubarak resigned.

            It’s so much better. For example, fixed 4-year terms and no more than 2 consecutive terms. This is a significant change. None of the previous constitutions had such a limit for the Presidency. To simply write it off as a piece of shit only reflects bias on your side. Perhaps there are things you may have wanted to be included. Fair enough, I would agree it’s not the best written constitution out there, but it is the best Egypt ever had in its history as a republic.

            “There was no end to military rule. The brotherhood simply betrayed the revolution and partnered with the military.”
            ^^^^ So why do you place so much trust with the military. Why do you call for a coup? Are you intentionally deluding yourselves to a false dream that the military generals and SCAF would act in the interests of the Egyptian people?

          • karmamole

            July 3, 2013

            Why do I place trust in the military? Have you ever read what I wrote? I specifically said that I don’t trust them. Ungh. Read what I wrote, please, not what you THINK I wrote.

  2. shinobi42

    July 3, 2013

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    Democracy is a messy process, it is easy for residents of the US or other democratized states to sit in judgement. But none of us were alive when women were being killed while fighting for their right to vote, or when hundreds of thousands died fighting to free the slaves. We’re comfortable now, complacent, but building a democracy that respects the will of the people takes more than people tweeting from their couches.

  3. James Abrahams

    July 3, 2013

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    I don’t mean this in a combative way but when you say “Fuck Western Media” who are you including in this and what kind of articles? I’m in the UK and at the moment am mainly reading the guardian for information about Egypt. Occasionally the BBC and I don’t see this. Do you mean American media?

    I say this because one of the things I’ve found so interesting about reading about these protests is how much my predjudices about the “Arab World” has been challenged seeing how the actual people in Egypt, Tunisia and Turkey have actually responded.

    I haven’t figured out exactly what has been challenged. I don’t know if its because I thought they were all Islamists. Or if I thought that the things normal people would care about in these countries would be different. But something has struct me about how just “normal” the demands are. Its also interesting that whilst the “Islamists” definitely are on one site. There is so little of the arguing about actual religious issues. Its all just normal politics of a group of people screwing over another group of people for wealth and social benefits.

    So I find it interesting because my current reading of what has been going on specifically in Egypt and Turkey has made me almost completely agree with you, despite coming from a position before where perhaps I didn’t quite… except I’ve gotten that specifically through the western media that I’ve interacted it (and one bisexual turkish person… but Egypt and Turkey are definitely going through something very different)

    • karmamole

      July 3, 2013

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      I am very specifically referring to articles and journalists that are saying that these protests are an ‘attack on democracy’ – and basically siding with Morsi despite having admitted he was being a dictator several times, most notably for the constitutional declarations of last November. They’re just being massively hypocritical, and it seems to be because they’ve never seen a platypus before.

      • James Abrahams

        August 5, 2013

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        ooooh, took me a month to realise someone replied to me! Are you looking at the US media? Which ones? The UK is certainly not pro-morsi. The only thing is that they are calling it a coup in the US sort of

  4. Boris

    July 3, 2013

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    I’m from Argentina and my friends and me relates to your pain and martyrs through our experiences (my uncle and aunt died in the hands of the government and my father was tortured and exiled for opposing an U.S.-backed military rule) and I don’t mean to care more or something like that, I’m just worried and wish that more people think like you.
    My father told me that one of the crucial points of the more than fifty-years of military rule was at the coup against a sham president chosen in a sham elections under control of the army where you had to be pre-approved by a military council to run for an office. Almost all the people took the streets to ask for resignation and new elections, and the military took advantage of that and instaled themselves again. After that, they realised that they couldn’t trust the people and started a mass retaliation against their previous allies and detained, tortured and executed dozens of thousands of people for the nex twenty years. We even had a Nasser-like figure, Peron, elected in polls that talked nice about the army while their were killing and robbing the country.
    That’s my only advice, and you seem to understand that, you can’t trust them to handle back anything to the people, and when they see you awake, they will come harder than ever. Good luck and may God be with you

  5. Sebastian

    July 3, 2013

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    Ok, so you’re complaining that western media puts all Egyptians into one bag and making a mockery about them by — putting all Western media into one bag and making a mockery about them. Wtf?

    • karmamole

      July 3, 2013

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      No. I am specifically, and that is abundantly clear to others, addressing those who consider the last round of protests an ‘attack on democracy’. Read much?

  6. adam

    July 3, 2013

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    I and others are consistently inspired by what we witness from Egypt over the last few years, a heroic struggle that is far from over but that has shown the world so much. I will never forget watching the images via the internet during the anti-Mubarak uprising of protesters on the bridge facing barrage after barrage of gas, armoured vehicles and police, just to keep coming back for more and more until the bridge was yours. I’ve never seen anything like it.

    Those images encapsulate your comment that you are “equally prepared to demonstrate against the military’s oppression, and again, and again, and as long as it takes to get it right”. This must not be the end but another stage in the revolution – first Mubarak, now Morsi, next SCAF.

    ‘Keep on keeping on, until the fight is won.’ Many here are with you in spirit.

    One thought though – whilst the western media is wrong to homogenise Egyptians, so it is mistaken to homogenise western media. The fact that I have read your words is thanks in part to one little part of western media. Just a thought.

    Best wishes, adam

    • karmamole

      July 4, 2013

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      As stated above in another reply, my whole post is specifically addressed to those who have been calling these latest protests an ‘attack on democracy’. I’m completely aware that not all western journalists are that reductive, since I know quite a few who completely agree with my position 🙂

      Thanks for your sentiments, and for taking the time to comment, best wishes to you too 🙂

      Omar

  7. Oppelganger

    July 3, 2013

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    Thank you for the informative rant! But what’s the most appropriate balance between stability and democratic legitimacy? It’s hard to know whether this “democratic coup” is a positive or negative development, and obviously hard to get a complete picture through media that flies in during crises but has no nuanced view of the prevailing currents of thought or ongoing criticisms of post-revolution developments from SCAF rule until now.

    Some questions I still have: Does the Islamist constitution go out the window now? If so, how can you have elections with no constitution? If not, how do you remedy a constitution written under the thumb of SCAF? Getting rid of titular heads of state seems like the only thing mass protest can accomplish- but how do you get from there to achieving a democratic order universally regarded as legitimate, without it being subverted by the military reserving for itself its existing privileges and power – i.e. re-establishing civilian control of the military? Seems like the real fight is over the rules of the game that govern the transitions, not what the election results are that emerge from them. How can we everyday Americans show support for the democratic rights and liberties of the people of Egypt?

    • karmamole

      July 4, 2013

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      I need to give you proper time to address all those questions, I’ll try to do that later today.

  8. SaintHilaire

    July 3, 2013

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    To the author: “The elections were a sham…” Where were you when the military was organizing sham elections? Where were you when you realized that the military was usurping power? Did you demonstrate? Where were all the millions of egyptians demonstrating today? Why didn’t they protest against the fraudulent organization of polls? You seem to imply that there was low participation in the polls, empty polling booths…Were voters demonstrating or languishing in their homes waiting to demonstrate Today? Also please explain how much support the Muslim Brotherhood has in the country instead of just blaming everything on Morsi. Is there other members of the brotherhood that will be elected in the future? that you’ll demonstrate against and support a coup to oust them? “I hate that we are being played by the military” Why do you accept to be played by the military?

    • karmamole

      July 4, 2013

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      Where was I? I was in Tahrir Square with like-minded friends, holding up posters that said “The elections are a trap.”. I like how your tone assumes that I didn’t protest the elections. We did everything we could against SCAF and against the SCAF elections. Maybe if you asked questions in a less aggressive, and less presumptive tone, you’d get more answers. Where were you indeed…

      • SaintHilaire

        July 4, 2013

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        Excuse the perceived tone…it’s just a bunch of questions..! What I mean to say is that you know very well that Egyptians never protested the bad organization of elections as much as they did against Mubarak or Morsi. The opposition groups never denied his legitimacy, they just didn’t agree with how he conducted the constitution process and minority rights issues,..etc. But There were no multitudes of protesters that we see now in Tahrir. I also don’t understand the deals you say exist between the military and the brotherhood, yet the Tahrir crowd was cheering for the military? and the military deposed a president with whom they have deals? But please, honestly do tell us how popular the brotherhood is compared to other parties, and if it is possible that their candidate wins again in the next elections, and How different do you think he would be from Morsi.

        • karmamole

          July 4, 2013

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          Okay, first of all – regarding the elections, please read the two blog posts I’ve linked at the bottom the post. Then let’s get back to the rest of your questions.

  9. Nasser

    July 5, 2013

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    The western media is totally confused about the Egyptian culture, the fact is that at least 85% of the Egyptian people oppose incompetent Morsy and the fascist Islamist group the Muslim Brotherhood, in addition they miss the fact that the Egyptian military are an integral part of the Egyptian people that can not be separated , Morsy won the first election by corruption and exploitation of the small minded Egyptian peasants , he paid them to vote for him while his opponent Shafeeq of the old Mubarak regime was not favoured by many, this is why Morsy won the first election by a marginal of 1.8%, I am positive that more than three quarters of Egyptians oppose the muslim brotherhood and want a democratic civilian government, peace and property

  10. Muhammed Hussein

    July 5, 2013

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    I needed to read this. I almost forgot about the empty lines in the elections and the empty voting booths.

    I love argumentative writing. But I love using informal language more. 🙂

    Thank you!

  11. rey

    July 6, 2013

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    I think protesting against Morsi is respectable, but being played by Military forces never and people have been played as Military’s wish unfortunately

    • karmamole

      July 6, 2013

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      To quote a friend – “Even if this whole muthafucking thing was directed from Washington or Abbaseya (he means the army, that’s where the Ministry of Defense is) or from Tora (meaning Mubarak’s regime, this is where they are now, Tora prison), every evil force we can imagine in the background has to face the reality of a mobilised population and a new vigour to see the principles of the revolution put into effect. How could that be bad?”

      🙂

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